Slight Side Project

As a consequence of the need for miniature studs for the return cranks on the 8F I decided how hard could they be to make.

I started as I would make miniature bolts by turning down the end of a piece of 1.2mm nickel rod to 0.8mm at either end (to make two at a time from each piece of stock). Then I removed them from the lathe and popped them in a hex headed pin vice to file the hex flats on. If I did a production run which I may at some point I would have set up the spin indexer to make them all consistent. As it is they are okay but not perfect.

Then I came to put them back in the lathe to turn the short length of dummy thread which protrudes beyond the nut. This is where I started to struggle a little. Even though I had sharpened the cutting tool I was still getting a bit of deflection of the stock.

Then I remembered that just after Christmas in a Warco Sale leaflet I had bought a live centre with multiple interchangeable points.

This got me wondering if I could make another tip with a 0.8mm hole in it to support the tail of the stud while I turned the other end down to size before parting off.

This is what it looks like in the live centre. The taper isn’t a perfect fit but it’s under so little load that it isn’t an issue

Mini Stud Tail Support

For those struggling to visualise what I am talking about, I did a simple sketch

Homemade Mini Fake Studs

A little Tool Making Diversion

This last week has been one of those where you don’t really know where the time went and workshop sessions were of short duration. Which for me, isn’t really conductive to problem solving on the 8F although I did manage a little bit of problem solving and moving ahead with it as my last post confirms.

Like many model builders I use a lot of small BA screws which means that I also use small flat headed screwdrivers. For some time for the smaller 10BA/12BA/14BA screws I have relied on a screwdriver from a three piece set which was sold for the repair of spectacles. It consisted of a small flat head, crosspoint and a handle which I assume was designed to be a nut spinner but rather than machined I have a feeling it was cast because the internal hex was oddly shaped and I never found a nut that would fit in it. More on that later.

As I say I mainly use the flat head but I had misplaced it and needing something relatively quick to do I wondered if I might make a replacement from some 2mm silver steel that I have a reasonable stock of (as often happens you plan to buy a length of it but it works out only a little more to buy a pack of five).

Making the blade took about fifteen minutes I held the length of Silver Steel in a square collet block and milled down each side for a short distance to make the blade shape then I heated it to cherry red and dunked it in my olive oil jar before reheating to temper it.

The handle was made from a piece of recycled rod from an old printer. I chose a length which had previously had some plastic gears fitted to it that were held on by splines. I reasoned that the splines would provide grips without further need of any additional work. There was a grooved section in between the splines so I turned a slight taper on the edges to make them more comfortable in the hand and allow me to blue where I had turned it to give a little decoration. All in all it took around half an hour to make both blade and handle.

At this point Chris said that she could do with a replacement screwdriver for her sewing machine so I made a second one but I guesstimated the size a little on the big side so it wouldn’t fit.

It turned out that the first one that I made was perfect for the sewing machine so I gave that one to Chris and kept the chunkier one for my own use – it’s perfect for 6BA or bigger screws.

So then I needed to make another smaller screwdriver for myself to replace the one that gave Chris.

I did things a little different in so much as I put a 5 degree angle block under the collet block ad instead of milling from the side I milled from above this gave me much more control over the final blade thickness at the tip. Using both ends of the bar I made two blades one with a tip thickness of 0.25mm and the other with a thickness of 0.5mm

Using the same splined rod for the handles as the first one albeit that there wasn’t two sets of splines near enough to each other that I had to add a bit of knurling and a few grooves to help with grip again I blued the exposed areas that I had turned as I find that these printer rods rust easily if I don’t blue them.

Finally a couple of days later I made another blade and I drilled out the useless nut spinner mentioned above to make a handle so now I might get some actual use from it after it has sat on my bench for at least 10 years without ever having been used.

A Spin Indexer Side Project

Over on Western Thunder a fellow member posted photos of a hand crank that he had made for his lathe and I said that it might make a good side project at some point.

Talking of side projects. I have mentioned a few times that I am using a Spin Indexer to index the gear blanks for cutting.

Most comercial Spin Indexers are made in China and having seen quite a number of videos on the use of, and improvement of them one thing that pretty much everyone comments on is the locking screw which locks the barrel both while indexing and fitting and tightening items in the collet holder. As supplied they come with and aluminum screw which has a nice knurled head but that’s the only good thing that you can say about it.

The fit in the internal thread is so sloppy that I wouldn’t be surprised if there wasn’t getting on for a millimetre of play in the thread. Now most of the videos that I have watched have been Americans and the other thing that they found really frustrating was that they couldn’t work out what thread it was. That’s because it’s an metric M12 x 1.75 thread.

I do have a tap and die for M12 x 1.75 but by good fortune I was recently given a bag of big bolts to use as raw materials and amongst them was a number of M12 coach bolts. I tried screwing one of them into the hole of the Spin indexer and the fit was perfect.

I cut of the head of the coach bolt and then cut a length of the threaded section and included short length of the plain shank, which I turned down to make it round as it was slightly oval to start with. Then I drilled all the way through 5mm because the aluminium version has a hole through it. I opened out the threaded end to 8mm and turned a brass top hat bush to fit inside it and secured it with Loctite.

Next I used a boring bar to open out the hole in the knurled part of the aluminium screw until it fitted the turned down section of the replacement threaded section. Then I parted it off and Loctited that to recreate the screw.

Now I have a screw that will tighten down properly with no slop in the threads and the brass end will stop the barrel of the Spin Indexer from getting chewed up by the steel screw thread.

Lathe Tool Height Gauge – Made from an old Scribing block

Those with long memories may remember this.

Scribing block

I bought it along with a number of other hand tools which I have subsequently restored over the last year. But I actually bought the job lot on the basis of it containing this. My idea was to make a lathe Tool Height Setting Gauge from it loosely based on the GH Thomas example which is marketed as a kit by Hemingway Kits.

A fellow parish councillor recently gave me a few pieces of steel one of which was perfect for making the two height setting arms.

Lathe Tool Height Gauge
Lathe Tool Height Gauge
Lathe Tool Height Gauge

I have a second ‘arm’ partially made which I will finish off at some point. Finished off with a nice nickel silver thumb screw it works perfectly.

Final Refurb of the vintage tool collection.

Back In October 2024 I won a job lot of Engineering tools via eBay. When they arrived I was reasonably certain that they were apprentice pieces all made by the same gent and stamped FC. At the time I cleaned them all up and I restored most of them in terms of parts that were missing. One final piece a sliding curved bevel worked but it wasn’t possible to tighten up or slacken off the thumbscrew. I tried several times in the intervening 11 months but did manage to budge it no matter how aggressive I got, I didn’t manage to budge it. In the end a week or so ago, I just lost patience and hacksawed the thumbscrew off.

I machined up a new thumbscrew and it worked but the stud part looked a bit undernourished so I made a second stud that I was happy with. I also spent a bit of time on the slides to ensure that all the parts move freely along the full length of travel.

Slding Bevel Restoration
Slding Bevel Restoration

Tapping Guide in Action

Back in June last year (Here) after some discussion on the Guild forum about tapping guides I made one but since then I haven’t had a circumstance where I might actually use it.

Yesterday while doing a little job I needed to tap a 12ba thread in two sides of U shaped pieces. By gripping them (they are rather small and fiddly) in an engineers clamp I was able to rest the guide on the flat side of the clamp and use my shop made tap spinners to tap the holes. One tap spinner holds the taper tap, while the second has the bottom tap.

Set up for tapping small holes in U shaped brackets.

Still scratching that itch

Having made the cone extinguisher I decided to make a more modern more conventional type but still within my modlleing period.

1920 Fire Extinguisher
1920 Fire Extinguisher
1920 Fire Extinguisher
1920 Fire Extinguisher

Scratching a long time itch – Fire Extinguishers

Way back in 2010 for my first 7mm scale build an LMS Period One Full Brake, I scratch built a full interior from brass. As part of that interior detailing I made a couple of fire extinguishers, not having a lathe at that time I made them from brass tube and other bits and pieces finishing them with a couple of 4mm scale etched plates that I had in my spares box.

I fitted on in the coach and the other sat in my spares box for a long time. I can only assume that I fitted it to a brake van at some point because I can’t find it.

I made them from tube etc. because that’s the only way that I could see to make one up and I was really pleased with the result. However since then I have had a longstanding itch to make one of the tapered/cone type fire extinguishers. My recent success with the oil cas prompted me to have a go. I found a few photos and had a go. The first attempt wasn’t that great because my rivets were to pronounced so I changed the punch on my rivet press and had another go. This time I was happy and although they look big in the photos because that are massively magnified they do look the part when viewed at normal distances.

Fire Extinguisher
Fire Extinguisher
Fire Extinguisher

Homemade Rivet Setting Tool

Those of you familiar with pressing out rivets especially on metal kits will know that the action of the formation of the rivet has a tendency to distort the metal slightly usually resulting a in a slight curl or wave along the line of rivets. Like those below

Rivet Strips

In between applying paint to Mossy’s wagons I also picked up another unfinished model which I initially was going to cheat one but decided against it and as a result needed a number of riveted strips with rivets at various different spacings. The rivets were pressed along the edge of a sheet of 0.25mm (10 thou) nickel sheet with my Leakey Rivet press and then cut of with the guillotine. it’s a very satisfying process but as described it does leave the rivet strips with a bit of a curl.

Until today I have for a number of years ‘set’ the rivets using some jewellers stone setting tools after seeing the technique demonstrated on Western thunder by Peter Dunn.

Gemstone setting tools

These are two of the set which I use most often and I have fitted semi permanent (bonded with loctite 638) handles to them. As they come they have a wooden handle with a collet nut that allows you to change the size. To use them press out your rivets then place on a firm surface and go over them with the tool placing it over each rivet and a small tap with a light hammer sets the rivet and the surrounding metal.

This is fine and as I say I have used the method for a number of years the only minor downside is that the dome in the end of the tool is quite shallow and I have had it squash the rivets sometimes and the edge is quite reasonably sharp so if you don’t get it quite vertical it can leave a slight half moon mark around the rivet.

While pressing out rivets this morning it struck me that a few minutes on the lathe could improve upon the tool.

Home Made Rivet Setting Tool
Home Made Rivet Setting Tool

Using more of the steel rod recovered from waste toner cartridges I faced off the end and then having measured my most used rivet size I drilled a .93mm hole in the end of the rod and then turned it down to allow a flat bottom to not cut into the sheet but narrow enough to allow passing between close fitting lines of rivets.
I have recently made a second punch for my rivet press to allow the slightly bigger rivets on Connoisseur kits to be punched more accurately so I made a second ‘rivet set’ to set those. That has a 1.3mm hole in it. The recycled printer rods machine lovely but I have noted a tendency to rust where they have been machined so I heated the machined ends to blacken them in oil.

David Andrews Princess Royal – Pressure Turned Washers

Then I connected the loco and tender together and it immediately tripped out the controller and so I started a further round of troubleshooting. First I removed the bogie and after coffee I went back into our cloakroom where I have temporarily set up my test board. This room is west facing so gets sunlight mostly in an afternoon but it’s below ground level as the path outside the window is cut into the embankment and so doesn’t get quite as much natural light unless the sun is really high in the sky and it’s late afternoon.

Now one of the suggestions from Thursday nights meeting besides dig out the multimeter was to try hunting for shorts in the dark as sparks are easier to see. As I went in for further testing I forgot to turn the light on and so the room was a little gloomy. This proved to be a benefit, because as soon as I moved the bogie on it’s own, I noted a spark which I wouldn’t have seen with the light on. I noted that the guard irons were quite close to the rails and may have caused shorts on curves so they were adjusted and then further examination showed that I had fallen foul of the etched washer/hub insulation again. A further check of the trailing tuck revealed the same issue. I had a few spare insulated washers that I had turned when working on the tender but they proved to be too thick even after turning/milling down the axle bushes.

I was initially going to make some up by using a hole punch to cut holes in some styrene sheet and then snip of /file them into circles. By good fortune a video that I had seen some time ago that was lurking in my memory surfaced on my Youtube feed. After rewatching it I decided to have a go at pressure turning a number of washers all at once.

Now unless you want really big washers the process is a little wasteful because you need enough stock to hold onto to drill the centre hole. I chose to cut some 0.5mm styrene sheet into 20mm x 20mm squares aiming for a finished size of 10mm diameter. You also need some scrap to hold the parts and one of them becomes almost sacrificial.

The first step is to grip the styrene squares between the two pieces of scrap material.

Drilling blanks

I used a 1″ G clamp and a small engineers clamp to hold them all together to drill a 5mm hole through all the parts. This was to allow clearance on the 3/16 (4.7mm) axles. At this point you transfer the whole set up to the lathe before releasing the clamps.

Setting up for pressure turning
Pressure Turning Parts

I created the above set up which consists of a 22mm piece of Delrin in the collet (I had to turn a stub down to fit in a 16mm collet which is the largest ER25 collet that I have). This had a 5mm hole drill partially through it. At the tailstock end is another piece of 22mm Delrin which has had a 60 degree cone turned in the back so that it fits on a live centre then a short section turned down to 10mm to allow the tool to clear the workpiece(s) again it has a 5mm hole through it. Then a length of 3/6 rod was passed into the hole in the mandrel in the collet chuck and the parts fed onto it, before removing the clamps. Lastly the live centre is wound tightly against the parts which squash and grip all the parts for turning and locked.

The next step was to turn down the sacrificial scrap support until all the parts start to be turned. My sacrificial scrap was plastic which has a layer of aluminium either side of it and I found that the most depth of cut I could manage was 0.25mm per pass otherwise the parts started to slip. I started turning with a carbide tipped bit until it would no longer fit, then I changed to high speed steel grooving tool that I had ground for another job some time ago.

Washers well on their way.
Finished Washers

One piece of advice given in the video was to make sure that you were using a sharp tool for the final pass to help prevent the tool from rolling the edges of one part over onto the next.

Finished Washers

These are the finished parts and they are all really crisp, aside from the one that was nearest the left hand piece of scrap which had a small burr around the edge (visible at the corner of the ruler). This burr was easily scraped off with a scalpel blade.

Highly Recommended for modelling tasks – Expo 75611 Half Round/Concave Combination Plier

I bought these at Thirsk show last year or the year before and I hadn’t really used them much until recently.

I have absolutely no affiliation with Expo aside from a satisfied user of these pliers. Which I can highly recommend.

The curve of the jaws is slightly offset and I thought that this might be an issue initially but it has proved to be a design feature that has been very useful for bending wire to complex shapes.

Expo Curved Pliers
Expo Curved Pliers

Shop Made BA Tapping Guide Bush

Following my posting of the Joe Pie tap wrench on the Guild forum there was a bit of discussion on the types of tap wrenches in use and one member shared a BA tapping guide that he had bought commercially. Which I thought was a great idea for tapping holes that are too inconvenient to fit in a vice

Having been given the idea, I couldn’t resist having a go at making one this morning.

BA Tap Guide
BA Tap Guide

I even managed to use the reject first attempt at making a drawbar for the Princess which I broke during machining due to me doing the wrong order of operations. I keep one of those square plastic trays that Slaters pack their small items like plunger pick-ups horn guides etc. on my workbench and all my small offcuts of brass and nickel go into it. Once I had machined each end off it was perfect for the guide bush.

I probably over engineered it in so much as I turned the end of the bush down to 5mm for 1.6mm and drilled a 5mm hole in the flat bar which is 1.6mm thick. It was a nice tight fit but I realised that due to the bar being drawn, it wasn’t exactly flat on top and the guide sat at a slight angle. still having the coordinates in the mill from drilling the hole I used a 6mm end mill to mill a recessed flat to accommodate the bush. I checked for squareness with a 1-2-3 block and then soldered the bush in.

The hole in the bush is 3.3mm and will take my 6 -12ba taps freely but with virtually no sideplay. I also have a 14ba tap and I might at some point add another guide bush at the other end of the ‘handle’ with a smaller hole to take that.

More “Joe Pie” inspired tools

I mentally kicked myself up the backside and got the sand pipes installed a couple of days ago so yesterday I took a break and made up another couple of Joe Pie inspired tools, which he shows in use in one of his videos.

These were an additional tap spinner which has an aluminium knurled grip but a steel inner so it shouldn’t wear with use. I also made a depth stop to fit over the tap if I wish to only tap a hole to a specific depth.

Miniature Tap depth Stop

The two fit together as above, or you can use them independently as below.

Miniature Tap depth Stop

In the video, Joe showed that he made his in pairs. This is so that he could have a taper tap in one and a bottom tap in the other. Having made the initial example, I still had a bit of material left so I decided to see if I could make a combined tap spinner and depth stop.

Miniature Tap depth Stop

It turns out I could, in the image below you can see the steel core inside the aluminium grip.

Miniature Tap depth Stop
Miniature Tap depth Stop
Miniature Tap depth Stops
Remains of Die holder after using one handle and part of the casting

Just in case you are wonder what I used to make them I used the remains of one of the handles on the scarp die holder. I put it in the lathe and carefully parted the aluminium where I thought the steel roughly ended (as it happens I could have gone a little further) then having noted how securely the aluminium was attached to the steel core I realised that I could turn the remains of the casting attached to the bar into a round usable piece to make something from and the idea was born. I also have the other side to do something similar from. I can see more tools for even finer taps in the future. Unless I think of another tool to make instead.

Joe Pie Tap Handle

Those who joined me for my Gauge O Guild an Evening With Session will have heard me mention YouTuber Joe Pie as someone whom I have learned a lot of techniques and in the past I have made a couple of his shop project tools

Needing a distraction from my current endeavour which has been quite frustrating I decided to follow this video and make another small tap handle. I have previously made one similar to the one that he shows at the start of the video but I made the hole in it a bit big so it’s more suited to larger shanked taps.

As regular viewers of my posts will know I am a great believer in recycling and early this year I bought a job lot of vintage tools from eBay for the princely sum of £7.50 I really bought them for the 3MT-2MT sleeve that was included but there was also a very well made large tap wrench a Moore and wright imperial ruler, a set of sprung external calipers and a couple of 1″ die holders. Of the latter one was very well made and as I have a couple of 1″ dies will come in very useful. The second was a bit battered and had an aluminium casting for the die holder with a couple of 1/2″ steel bars as the handles. This I consigned to the useful bits box and so part of one of the handles became my material for making the miniature tap handle.

Recycled Die Holder

I popped the whole thing in the lathe and being very careful of the large lump in the middle I parted of approx 65mm (just over 2.5″) this allowed a little to tidy each end up bringing it back to a finished size of 62mm or a whisker under 2.5″ .

Then I followed Joe’s steps. I adjusted my hole dimensions to suit an M6 cap head screw so I drilled 5mm for the tapping size, 6.5mm clearance and then 10mm to recess the head of the screw. I drilled until the head was just proud of the end of the handle and then used a 10mm end mill to flatten the bottom of the hole and allow the screw to just sit inside the handle when fully screwed home.

Miniature Tap Wrench
Miniature Tap Wrench
Miniature Tap Wrench – 12BA Tap

I drilled a 4mm hole in the centre which will take up to a 4BA tap (It might take bigger but that’s the one that I measured as I mostly use smaller than that). Shown here with a 12 Ba tap inserted.

Miniature Tap Wrench

Lastly I heated it up and dropped it into some olive oil overnight to give it a nicely blued appearance – Although I had cleaned it with IPA I went back and did a small adjustment from which I didn’t clean the oil inside out again before the heating. Although I couldn’t see it, this must have created a bit of smoke, which set the workshop smoke alarm off. At least I know that it works.

Fitting a Digital ReadOut (DRO) to My Sieg SX1LP Mini Mill Part 7 (final Part)

This seems to be the only shot that I have of the X axis scale in place with it’s chip cover.

Then I mounted the display – you will note that the bottom Z Axis display is reading al zeros this is because at this point I was still awaiting the longer replacement scale.

There are quite a few options for mounting the display you can angle the bracket out from the side of the mill if you have somewhere to mount it. I chose to fix it to the bench alongside.

Then it was onto fitting the Z axis scale. This was reasonably straightforward in that I was able to fasten the scale itself directly to the rear of the column. I confess that I did initially get it slightly too low which reduced the amount that I could raise the head of the mill. Meaning that I had to redrill one of the holes higher up to get maximum height.

I was also able to finally use some of the brackets and mounting plates that came with the scales again fitting to the yoke which raises the head was reasonably straightforward.

What did find was that I had to turn some spacers from aluminium bar to get the alignment between the read head and the yoke so that it ran up and down smoothly without rubbing on the chip cover.

In conclusion, I am really happy with the DRO and now feel confident to do something similar on my lathe at some point. I do agree with Nick Baines comment that having that level of accuracy does tend to get you a little hung up on hitting 0.005 of a millimetre…

Fitting a Digital ReadOut (DRO) to My Sieg SX1LP Mini Mill Part 6

Not feeling at my best since the bank holiday I have let this thread slip a little.

So where were we?

The only possible mounting for the read head on the X axis is the end of the Y axis table. To do this I employed a couple more offcuts of aluminium angle these slightly deeper in section than that used on the Y axis read head.

 The brackets needed to fit around the Y axis lead screw so needed a bit of shaping

It did take a couple of tries to get a range of adjustment available in all the different elements of the Z shaped final mounting.

Having got this far with the mill assembled I couldn’t put off taking the mill to bits any longer to drill the end of the Y axis table.

After that it was just a case of reassembling it.

Fitting a Digital ReadOut (DRO) to My Sieg SX1LP Mini Mill Part 5

The X axis was a bit more involved in that it was harder to get access to even with the mill unbolted from the bench.

First job I found that the slots in the mounting plate were a bit tight for the M5 screws so I opened the slots with the mill.

I also milled the second slot to have vertical as well as horizontal movement as it’s important to have the scales both level horizontally and parallel to the travel of the table for the highest accuracy. As they come one slot is vertical and the other horizontal but being aluminium they are easy to modify with the mill.

After bluing up the rear face of the table I was lucky in that I had recently bought a couple basic C clamps to use for clamping one of my vices and my rivet press temporarily to the workbench when I need to. These fit quite nicely edge on in the T slot so I was able to clamp the mounting plate in position allowing me to move the table to either side of the column so that I could mark it up without removing the table at this stage.

Again, it was a bit of a squeeze but I was able to drill and tap the table without removing it.

The next task was working out how best to mount the reader but I will cover that in another post.

Fitting a Digital ReadOut (DRO) to My Sieg SX1LP Mini Mill Part 4

The next step was working out where to position the reader to get the full length of travel from it. I measured how much space the X axis scale would take up when fitted, added a couple of millimetres for clearance and used that as my forward limit. I then marked the base and drilled and tapped the base.

This is the Y axis scale fitted with it’s swarf cover and working.